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Private Members Bill on Maternity Protection (Members of the Houses of the Oireachtas) Speech by Paul Kehoe T.D, Minister of State on behalf of Kathleen Lynch T.D, Minister of State, Department of Health and Department of Justice, Equality & Defence with responsibility for Disability,Older People,Equality & Mental Health

I  thank  Deputy Ó Fearghaíl for crafting this Bill and Deputy Calleary for

presenting   it  to  the  House.  I  wholeheartedly  acknowledge  the  work

undertaken  in  the  development of this measure. I welcome the opportunity

this  gives  us  to  focus on the issue of female participation in politics

here in Ireland.

 

 

In  her provocative poem ‘Ireland is Changing Mother’, Rita Ann Higgins has

the  lines: ‘You might have had / the cleanest step on your street / but so

what mother, / nowadays it’s not the step / but the mile that matters’.

 

 

It  is  a  positive fact that in many areas of Irish life women are walking

the mile and more. But to this day not enough has been done.

 

 

That  we  must  dismantle  the  structural  barriers  that deny women equal

opportunities  in  the  political  process  is  undeniable.  For  too long,

stereotypical thinking fuelled a historic pattern of discrimination against

women.  Stereotypes  about  women’s  domestic  roles  and  dependency  were

reinforced   by   parallel   stereotypes   presuming  a  lack  of  domestic

responsibilities  for men. These mutually reinforcing stereotypes created a

self-fulfilling cycle of discrimination that excluded women from the public

space  and  consigned them to the private sphere whatever their aspirations

and  talents.  Such  outmoded stereotypes have no place in a constitutional

democracy  that  regards  the  right  to  equality  as  the  ground  of all

fundamental  rights.  The  stain  of  generations of discrimination against

women  is  still  visible  in  our  society.  Women  continue to experience

barriers  to  political  participation  to  this  day. For this reason, the

determination to remove those barriers remains vital.

 

 

This  issue  was  considered  in  great  detail  in  2009 by the then Joint

Committee  on  Justice,  Equality,  Defence  and  Women’s  Rights  and they

produced  a  very  worthwhile  and  informative  report  entitled  “Women’s

Participation in Politics”.

 

 

This report identified five challenges facing women in politics.  These are

known as the “5 Cs” and I will remind Deputies again what they are;

 

 

      Childcare

      Cash

      Confidence

      Culture; and

      Candidate selection procedures.

 

 

This  list is not a list of mantras that will work wonders just by reciting

them.  It  is rather a list of action steps and practical necessities whose

moral  ambition  is  equal  opportunity  for women in Irish political life.

Practical measurable progress toward these goals is an absolute imperative.

We  must  remove once and for all the ‘no trespassing’ signs that women who

aspire to political participation find before them and put in its place the

‘welcome  mat’  of equal opportunities that all equal citizens have a right

to.

 

 

Deputies:

 

 

The  Committee also examined the issue of maternity leave in the context of

their  discussion  on  childcare.   The Committee’s recommendation was that

women members of the Oireachtas who give birth in office should be entitled

to   automatic   pairing   arrangements.   I  personally  believe  such  an

arrangement  should also be in place for a short number of days for fathers

on  the  birth  of  a child.  This would reflect the important role fathers

have to play in family life and reflect an advancement of equality of roles

within the caring duties carried out by parents.

 

 

As  you  are  all aware this Government has, on foot of a commitment in the

Programme  for  Government, amended the Electoral Acts to address the issue

of  increasing  female  participation  in  Irish politics in the context of

candidate selection.  These ground breaking measures will ensure at least a

quota  of 30% of women candidates will go before the electorate at the next

election

 

 

We have debated this issue both inside and outside these Houses many times.

To  be  honest  little  progress  has  been  made.   The  facts  speak  for

themselves.  At the last general election of the 556 candidates who ran for

election  only  86  were  women.   Indeed some 90 years after women got the

vote fewer than one in seven of our Dáil Deputies have been women.

 

 

Minister  Kathleen  Lynch  in  her  role  as  Minister for Equality and has

advanced  an  initiative  under  the  National  Women’s Strategy to examine

women’s  role  in  decision-making  in  Ireland.   A report will be shortly

published  which, may I understand make recommendations that in the case of

female  TDs  on  maternity leave should be entitled to an automatic pairing

arrangement  possibility  for  period of maternity leave recommended by the

International Labour Organisation (ILO).

 

 

Women play an active role in many aspects of public and community life.  We

all  know  this.   They are highly visible in residence associations, local

charities groups, boards of management of schools and chambers of commerce.

But  they  still  face barriers in the way of full political participation.

This brings me to the substance of the Bill we have before us.

 

 

I  think  the  objective  of  the Bill is laudable.  But a laudable purpose

should  not  immunise  this Bill from careful inspection. The Government is

concerned  that  the method of achieving that objective set out in the Bill

poses constitutional and other legal difficulties.  Before I outline those,

I  want  to say that I hope I can persuade my colleague Deputy Calleary and

Deputy  Ó  Fearghaíl  not  to push the Bill to a vote, but instead to agree

that  we  should  work together to see if within the internal arrangements,

including  the  standing  orders,  of  the two Houses, we can find a way of

achieving  the  shared  objective without having to face any constitutional

difficulties.   I have no doubt that Deputy Calleary and Deputy Ó Fearghaíl

recognise  that  the  issue of gender equality in political life transcends

party politics.

 

 

The  difficulties  we  on  the  Government  side  see  with the Bill are as

follows.  First  of  all, we as Members of the Oireachtas are not employees

but  are  “officeholders”.   We do not fall within the statutory employment

protection  legislation, because we are not employees.  Consequently, we do

not  qualify  for  the  various  social welfare schemes in place to support

workers  when they are sick or on maternity or adoptive leave.  We are also

not  covered  by  what is known as the workplace-relationship legislation –

such  as  Unfair Dismissal legislation and the Organisation of Working Time

legislation.

 

 

And, second, the proposal to provide for maternity leave for female members

of  the  Houses  of  the Oireachtas – as if we were employees – may raise a

constitutional   issue.  It  would  in  effect  make  provision  for  State

recognition  of  an  absence  from  her  duties under the constitution of a

Member  of  either  House  during the maternity-leave period, and for State

remuneration during that absence.  The reality is that Members are entitled

to  their  salary  ‘allowance’  as  a  matter of law during their period of

membership  of the relevant House and there is no provision for non-payment

of  the salary during this period (save for example where the question of a

suspension of a Member in connection with infringements under the Ethics in

Public  Office  legislation  might  arise).  As Members we organise our own

work  patterns  and – subject to Members on my side of the House being here

when  I need them to be here – the balance between Dáil work on legislation

and other parliamentary business on the one hand and constituency and other

work  on  the  other  is managed by the individual Deputy at his or her own

discretion and is not subject to approval by an employer.

 

 

There are two issues to consider;

 

 

   ·    whether it would be possible under the Constitution to legislate for

      such an absence from duty for Deputies and Senators; and

 

 

   ·    what additional provision, if any, could be made in such legislation

      for payment of  the salary allowance (and indeed other allowances) to

      a  Member  in  respect  of  such absences (given that the law already

      provides  for  the  payment  of  salary  for  the  full  duration  of

      membership)

 

 

The  question may well arise should the provision of maternity leave equate

to a formal “leave of absence” such that the Member is, albeit temporarily,

no  longer  performing their duties as a member.  The Bill does not propose

for  a  temporary replacement of a Member during their absence on maternity

leave.  This  would  raise  issues  both  in  relation to electoral law and

possibly also the Constitution.

 

 

My  final  difficulty with the Bill is a practical one.  Anyone involved in

politics  knows  that  our  electoral  system does not allow any member the

luxury  of  taking  a  six month break from constituency politics and being

able  to  expect that the seat has been kept warm by one’s party colleagues

in anticipation of one’s return.  We need to find a way of encouraging more

women  to get involved in politics and of encouraging young mothers to stay

involved.  That way needs to be one that works, bearing in mind the reality

of  daily political life that I don’t need to tell any of the Deputies here

for this debate about.

 

 

The  Bill also proposes what I consider are very generous terms for members

of  these  House  while  on  maternity  leave – far and away ahead of those

available to most young mothers.  I think in the current difficult economic

times we need to reflect on this element of the Bill.  The reality for most

women  on  maternity  leave  is  that they receive a social welfare payment

known  as  maternity  benefit  at  a  maximum payment of €262 and down to a

minimum payment of €217 a week.

 

 

Colleagues:

 

 

My  difficulties  are  with the specific of the Bill and not with its clear

human-rights objective. The Government unequivocally endorses the objective

of  increasing the number of women in politics and of making Leinster House

a friendly and supportive place for young mothers.

 

 

In  a constructive spirit, I propose that we should consider what we in the

Oireachtas  can  do  in  a  practical  way  to  progress  that objective by

supporting  TDs  and  Senators  who  are  young  parents.  We have a golden

opportunity   to   cooperate   under  internal  Houses  of  the  Oireachtas

arrangements on this issue.

 

 

Primary legislation raise serious problems and the Government would have to

oppose  the Bill on technical grounds if it is pushed to a vote.  I suggest

that  we  don’t  move  to  a vote but instead work together to see what can

actually  be achieved in a practical way without the requirement of primary

legislation.   This  could  be  considered  first  by  the Whips and by the

Leinster House authorities.

 

 

As Chief Whip I thank Deputy Ó Fearghaíl for crafting this Bill and raising

a  crucial  issue,  I  thank Deputy Calleary for presenting the Bill to the

House.  I invite them and all the Whips of the parties in the House to work

with us to see what real progress we can make.